12:13pmAndrew
yeah.
Things will be fine...
hopefully.
biggest trouble in my life right now is trying to make time for God
Nina isn't really sure she believes in God anymore, and I haven't been much support because we don't go to church because I work at a church as a conductor, and it's a lutheran ultra-liturgical service
so we don't really have a church home.
rough
12:16pmAndrew
Nina's going through the "my parents were worship leader and I went to church all my life, and do I really believe things because they are real or because I've been indoctrinated?"
i would make this your first priority in life
it would really help to be in felllowship with other believer during this time
12:17pmAndrew
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12:17pmIsaac is online.
question stuff in the context of fellowship with others is safe and healthy but apart from fellowship is dangerous
question stuff in the context of fellowship with others is safe and healthy but apart from fellowship is dangerous
12:17pmAndrew
but wherE?
u dont like first e free?
12:18pmAndrew
She doesn't/
I was oaky with it
but she said it was dead and nobody sounded excited
no other options
what about christ community?
12:18pmAndrew
never tried that one
we live close to campus though
there are free churches near there, though i dont remember the names
you could get em from jim or the net
12:19pmAndrew
I don't know if EV free is really my denomination
i went to saguaro for your youth group and stayed.
going mormon?
12:20pmAndrew
WHAT?
lol
have a current leaning?
12:21pmAndrew
do people really need denominations?
no and i get the move away from all of this but we have to have some content and some form to what we do
12:22pmAndrew
I just want a church that feels like a family, where people get passionate about music and God and doing it all without crazy "voodoo magic" as I call it.
not a fan of denom committment but it helps to know what you are getting into
join a cult
12:22pmAndrew
good idea.
first I have to sell all of my stuff. brb I'm getting on cragslist.
does the church of mother nature's love child accept checks?
direct deposit
12:24pmAndrew
oh, right. Okay.
will you be my agent?
no, guest speaker - or just guest
12:25pmAndrew
what?
I don't even know what we are talking about anymore.
lol
really though, it is easy to out this stuff off b/c its hard and you dont see the immediate need but give it a few weeks, then a few months and pretty soon life has really come apart
that put this stuff off
12:26pmAndrew
can you maybe rephrase that?
being part of a church rarely solves much one week
12:26pmAndrew
I'm a little confused as to what we're talking about now
its is the cumulative effect that brings stability and sanity
church
its a pain and i am not into our worship forms
most weeks the message doesnt move me
but over time i see that the issues in life have been addressed and the people i need are there
and my brain is restored and reset in subtle ways that i couldnt quantify
but iknow if i bailed on church it would not be too long before i was thinking dumb thoughts about myself, life, the world and god and starting to do dumb stuff that i would wind up regretting
if you let this go, that's where you will be too - sounds like nina is already headed there
time to take charge of this situation
12:29pmAndrew
take charge?
yeah - aggeessivly seek out the right place
when we first got to tucson, we drove around midweek and met with oastors and interveiwed leaders looking for a church
did a lot of pre-screeeing before sunday
think of it like looking for a job
12:31pmAndrew
well, one of my problems is that I am working Sunday mornings.
you dont try once or twice and then decide to just be homeless for a few years - you keep looking until you find something and until you are sure your have been sentthere, you keep looking for a while
need to find a small group or a chuerch service at another time
got to be all kinds of wierd little churches and groups near the campus
12:33pmAndrew
it's hard for me to get used to a new place.
but its easy to make excuses
i know its hard and church people are wierd
just takes a commitrment to praying God will lead you to the right place as you getr off your duffer and look for it
and dont stop til you find it
12:34pmAndrew
how do I know he's gonna come through?
why will he even listen?
I don't talk to him unless I need something.
he's gotta be miffed about that by now
you are already drifted
i think you know better
dont make God in your own image as some grouchy grudge-holder
you know who god really is beyind the lies that creep in when we are unguarded
12:37pmAndrew
I don't know what he wants from me, and I don't trust anything that I "feel" and how do I know when they're not just feelings and I'm actually being told something?
it is more something you learn to recognize than something we can put a formula to
just begin to trust and follow
god knows the shape you are in
your confusion, doubt, frustration, apathy
he wont try to trick you
just start doing what is right and follow one litttle step at a time
at this point you wouldnt believe the plans god has for you and probly wouldnt want them either
but as you grow and your heart changes, your perspective develops and you see how the path you have followed was divine
yeah, postmodern bs
its all over our culture
it is the logical overflow of an athiestic woerldview, couched in the language of cultural humility
if people define right, no one has anything to say
if God does, then we have no right to question him
we come by faith in that possibility or not at all
you cant prove god is there
but we know he is - we know it is true in our hearts, from creation and from the word
the great project of man is to deny god so we can be our own god without fear of consequence
you cant go to school and be taught by fallen intellct without the support of divine fellowship
start one step at a time but make that step a firm one
Andrew
so the first step is church hunting?
seek the kingdom
12:44pmAndrew
and the kingdom is church?
god i hope not
seek out god, whatever he will be for you
seek people who can guide and support you
do it wirth nina
like a dvine adventure
put god to the test a bit
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